Time of the 10 Secrets?

The world is clearly headed into chaos. Are the 10 Secrets revealed to the seers of Medjugorje about to be revealed? Author and expert on apparitions, Dr. Thomas Petrisko, joins Mark Mallett for a riveting look at what we could expect…

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Mark Mallett
00:00
45 years ago, Our Lady appeared to six children in Medjugorje, former Yugoslavia. She told them that she was coming as the Queen of Peace, beckoning the world to embrace peace, because she said the world is about to destroy itself. Well, today, now again, over four decades later, we see the world heading toward a global surveillance state.

00:25
We see young people beginning to embrace socialism and communism, and the nations headed toward war. The question now is, are the ten secrets that she revealed to those young children about to be opened? That next, on Countdown to the Kingdom.

00:55
Hello, I’m Mark Mallett from Countdown to the Kingdom and thenowword.com. And to discuss this most important subject with me is an author that many of you might be familiar with. His name is Dr. Thomas Petrisco.

01:09
He wrote this huge book called Twilight of Marxism. I read it cover to cover. An amazing book.

01:16
Many call it his opus. And the last one I read is Ten Secrets. And Dr. Thomas, many of you know him from his book that he wrote on the illumination of conscience.

01:26
But this is the book that I want to discuss today. And joining me now from Ave Maria down in Florida is Dr. Thomas Petrisco. Welcome to the show.

Dr. Thomas
01:36
Good to be with you, Mark.

Mark Mallett
01:38
Good to have you. Well, let’s jump right into it right now. Now, I said the word Dr. Thomas Medjugorje.

01:46
And so for many people, it triggers them because there’s been an enormous amount of controversy, not so much from the seers because of the seers themselves, but controversy surrounding a lot of anti-Medjugorje propaganda that, as I have disclosed to my readers, was completely false. And there are some high-level apologists and other people in the Church who still are ignoring the trajectory of the Vatican, beginning with John Paul II, then Benedict XVI, and then, of course, Pope Francis, and then now Pope Leo, who’s just appointed a new envoy to Medjugorje. And all of them have pointed towards the fruits of Medjugorje, and the Vatican has gone so far to give the Niel Obstat to all of the apparitions.

02:34
Now, I just thought we should, for a moment, what do you have to say to those who now 45 years later continue to object and say that Medjugorje is a fraud and it’s a deception?

Dr. Thomas
02:49
Well, the way I approach everything with Medjugorje and Fatima and any of this is that we have to deal with the facts. And so if we’re going to deal with the facts, we have to look at where their source of the truth, whether they’re a source of information, whether they’re a source of what they call the facts it’s coming from. And if you go back to the beginning of those who opposed Medjugorje and then walk that timeline to today, you’ll see there’s kind of a narrative, and that narrative is being held to.

03:22
I don’t see that most of the people that if you would question or ask that opposed Medjugorje, if you asked them to give me five reasons why, that number one, they would be able to actually do that. Number two, if they were, those five wouldn’t disagree with the person standing next to them because it is a, you know, it’s groupthink. And unfortunately, it’s something that’s quite often you see it in politics.

03:45
But unfortunately, we’re very much seeing it with Medjugorje. But it’s pretty much four truths that are undeniable. And these truths are undeniable at a great volume.

03:54
Number one, there’s probably never been in the history of apparitions the amount of supernatural events that have occurred here that are documented and have witnesses to. Number two, when you go through the lives of these six visionaries, their personal lives and what they exhibit as far as their knowledge and the wisdom of God is unparalleled or at least equally parallel with visionaries of the past. They show a capacity to understand the divine that could not be acquired just through, you know, just through learning or sitting down with a book.

04:27
There is an extraordinary amount of information that they got. The third thing is looking at the fruits that are objectionable, objective. And that is certainly going to be the physical healings.

04:39
And you’re into hundreds of healings. Some of the same people that have been on the boards that have investigated the healings of Medjugorje sat on the board at Lourdes. So we’re not dealing with two different levels of competence here or dealing with two levels of objectivity.

04:57
And finally, you know, on the question of what is the greatest fruit, once again, we’ve never seen anything like this. We’ve seen over 100,000 priests go to Medjugorje. We’ve seen tens of thousands of nuns.

05:10
We’ve seen hundreds and hundreds of bishops and dozens of cardinals. You know, and then you’ve got people from other religions that have gone there and have gone through conversions. You know, what are we talking about when we talk about those who oppose the Medjugorje?

05:25
They’re certainly free to do that. But, you know, once again, we need to talk about what are the objective facts. And I would certainly welcome, you know, that conversation any day.

Mark Mallett
05:37
Yeah, no, I think that’s a wonderful summary. And I think just in conclusion to this, so we can move on to the secrets, Pope Benedict and John Paul II basically took authority over the apparitions, brought it to the Vatican. Benedict XVI established the Ruini Commission.

05:55
They concluded that the first seven apparitions were supernatural. Now, the Church has not formally adopted the Ruini Commission’s finding, But as you said, Dr. Thomas, these are a commission that you’ve got experts on there who’ve studied this. They’ve looked at everything from the scientific experiments on the young people to all of the data that you’ve just mentioned.

06:19
And then finally, the church recently granted Neil Obstett, which is now, according to the rules of discerning apparitions and mysticism like this, is the highest level of so-called approval that the church will give to an apparition without declaring it supernatural. So the evidence is overwhelming. And I’ll just say this one thing, Dr. Thomas, is that I hear a lot of apologists say, oh, but the devil, he can also deceive it with, he can produce these false fruits.

06:49
And that’s not what the scripture says. Jesus says you will know a tree by its fruit. So he’s telling us how to discern.

06:57
What the scriptures say is that Satan can reproduce false signs and wonders, but the fruits, no, the fruits of joy and peace that last for over 45 years, people take them into their grave. That’s the Holy Spirit. The devil can’t do that.

07:12
So that’s a misreading of the scriptures. Sure, I’m sure, and there have been false signs. Even the seers have seen them at Medjugorje, the devil trying to appear to them as Our Lady and so on.

07:23
But they got through it, and they knew it was the devil behind it. So that’s the official status of Medjugorje. And I think the bottom line is we need to be humble and walk with the Church.

07:34
And today there’s an awful lot of rebellion against the hierarchy. Some of it they’ve kind of asked for with the ambiguity and confusion we’ve seen. But at the same time, we’re still called to that unity.

Dr. Thomas
07:47
I think you had one last thing there. Every commission was, from the earliest commissions, ruled out satanic influence as being at the core of these apparitions. So the devil’s everywhere.

08:00
Mary says where I am, he’s going to be there. But that has been ruled out over and over again. So, you know, if the church isn’t finding the devil, then who’s supposed to find the devil as being the source of these apparitions?

Mark Mallett
08:14
particularly when the church has seemed more inclined towards shutting down, to suppressing visionaries. So this is kind of, it was almost unexpected that we saw the Neil Obstatt that was granted to Medjugorje, but it’s a sign of the force of God behind this, that God is going to keep Our Lady’s message, at least from this apparition site, front and center. part of the apparitions here part of the message of course it’s a crucial message for a world it’s essentially the echo of fatima a call to repentance to penance to turning back to her son jesus christ but central to the messages as we saw early on as you’ve written in your fantastic book and again i i just want to recommend to people uh dr thomas’s book 10 secrets it’s it’s a non-fiction books.

09:14
You’re not writing fiction here, but it’s written almost in a fictional style, a narrative style that is so interesting. It just keeps you gripped. You’re a tremendous author, Dr. Thomas, and I’ve appreciated your work for decades.

09:30
But when it comes to these 10 secrets, many people in our generation, especially the young people, many of them may not even know about it unless their parents told us. So why don’t you tell us, sum up for us, what did Our Lady give aside from her daily messages at the time? She also conveyed 10 secrets to these six years.

09:50
What are they? What were they? And why don’t we just start there?

Dr. Thomas
09:55
Yeah, well, I think understanding the whole nature of the word secret is where I’d like to begin. When we look at the history of Marian apparitions, it appears that visionaries going all the way back to the 18th, 19th century are being given revelations. And there’s always an element of the revelation in which they come forward and say that I’m not supposed to talk about this or this is to remain hidden.

10:22
Or they basically come out and say this is a secret. So that really starts to explode when we look at La Salette, and there’s the long secret of the visionary, the one visionary, especially Melanie there, that is to remain hidden, which we know has a great history to it. In fact, the church was dealing with the La Salette secret all the way up until the 1920s, almost 70 years later because it was so controversial.

10:49
But once we get into that, then you come to Fatima and, you know, our ladies at Fatima and she talks about, you know, Lucia says there’s one secret with three parts to it. And then fast forward throughout the 20th century, I can’t tell you how many apparitions. I did a book called The Fatima Prophecies back in about 1995 in which there were literally dozens of apparitions that had secrets to them.

11:15
One apparition had 10 secrets besides Medjugorje. But in the language that the visionaries use, as early as October of 81, they’re starting to talk about 10 things they’ve been told that they shouldn’t talk about and not allowed to talk about. But one of the things they do come forward with right away is that there’s going to be a sign.

11:35
And this is going to be a great sign. And it’s kind of tragic yet rejoiceful at the same time because you can see that they can’t help but talk about the sign, which leads them to talking about the secrets, which you’re not supposed to talk about. But they want personally to have this sign be real and to be something that people know is coming because it’s going to not only authenticate the apparitions, but it’s going to authenticate them.

Mark Mallett
12:03
Why don’t we start there with the third secret, because you’ve already brought it up. It’s a sign. This is, and all the seers, now, from our understanding is we’re not sure that all the 10 secrets that the seers have all been given necessarily correlate with one another.

12:18
I think one of the most extraordinary things about this and about the seers is how well they have kept their secrets even between each other. It’s remarkable. You know, you remember Watergate, the Watergate scandal in the United States and how these men with Nixon couldn’t keep a secret for a week.

12:36
You know, so here you’ve got these young people remarkably keeping this information to themselves, but they’ve all spoken about the third secret. They call it a great miracle. What is it that we know from what the little that they have disclosed?

Dr. Thomas
12:53
The visionaries all collectively agree is going to be a physical manifestation of a sign of the proof of Our Lady being there. Number one, it will be visible. It will appear on Mount Podbrody, the site of the first apparitions.

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It is for all humanity, not just Catholics and Christians. It will be permanent. It will be on the earth and not in the sky.

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It will be beautiful. It will appear spontaneously. It will be visible to everyone that comes to Medjugorje.

13:32
It will be indestructible. It will be near but not before the end of the apparitions. It will be accompanied by miraculous healings.

13:44
The visionaries know exactly what it is. The visionaries know exactly when it will appear. It will confirm the Virgin Mary’s apparitional presence in Medjugorje.

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It will be preceded by two warnings. It is given in order to call people back to the faith. It is something that has never been seen on earth before.

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It will be rejected by some who will not believe it is a sign from God. Some people will remain unbelievers even after the sign comes. Those who are alive will witness many conversions because of the sign.

14:28
Those who wait until the sign comes to believe will have little time for conversion. For some it will be too late. It will happen in the lifetime of the visionaries.

14:40
It will be seen that human hands could not have made it. It will be able to be photographed and filmed. It is the one secret that visionaries know they share in common.

14:55
will be more beautiful when seen by one’s own eyes in Medjugorje. To experience a sign is to experience it with the heart. One must come to Medjugorje to do that.

15:07
There will be conversions during the sign’s manifestation. And finally, the last one, the sign will be for the church, so there can be no doubt of Mary’s presence in Medjugorje.

Mark Mallett
15:22
It’s not like we’re not used to like this. For instance, you had at Fatima, perhaps as many as 80,000 or more people, including the communist press, were there and witnessed the miracle of the sun. You have to this very day, the persistent sign of lords and those flowing waters that were the result of St. Bernadette scratching the ground. So miracles like this are not foreign to us.

15:46
But what you’ve described there, Dr. Thomas, is of enormous proportions. It’s a sign that cannot be destroyed, that will persist until the end of the world, as it says in your book. And therefore, this is something, how could the nations not convert? I mean, this is a game changer.

16:06
This third secret should change the world forever, because we’d have a permanent supernatural sign akin to maybe like the pillar of flame or the pillar of cloud over the Israelites. We really don’t. Well, do we know what it is? What’s your best guess from what you’ve read as to what this sign might be?

Dr. Thomas
16:26
Antonio Sosi, the wonderful Vatican journalist, talks about this in The Fourth Secret of Fatima, his 2006 book, in which he basically shows that everything that’s coming from Fatima was meant to be able to be observed and judged and witnessed and then testified to. okay now we don’t have the same thing with Medjugorje these are going to be socio-political events okay these are going to be events that can be seen and that can be documented and can be discussed amongst the people and amongst the world as you as you pointed out the difference is going to be is going to be this they are going to be unlike Fatima which was pre-announced decades ahead they are going to now be in the pre-announced days ahead just days before there’s a priest who’s going to sit at a table in front of a microphone there are going to be reporters from all over the world there and they’re going to announce each secret one at a time separated by mariana says some of them are going to be very close some of them are going to be separated by years but you know for the first time in history god is saying you know here we go we’re going to announce it on monday and on thursday you’re going to see it so this is really going to basically tear the cloth off, the wrappings off the paper, off the gift. That’s right.

17:47
We’re going to have a chance to know that this is coming and then three days later see. So with the third secret, we’re already going to be at number three on this. So I think it’s even going to fulfill even more what you said.

18:02
How can the world deny this? Well, after the first two secrets that have been already fulfilled, by the time you get to the third secret, the anticipation level of this will probably be phenomenal, yet alone the actual fulfilling of the manifestation of the secret. In Medjugorje now, they have cameras 24-7.

18:20
So they’re all set to capture this. My good friend Dennis Nolan from Notre Dame with his Mary TV, they have all this ready to go so that whatever happens there, it’s not going to occur in the middle of the night and someone sneak away.

Mark Mallett
18:38
Now, you mentioned the first two secrets. So now I think we should turn to them. And before I do, I want to read something from your book.

18:46
Again, this is coming from Ten Secrets, The Hidden Prophecies of Medjugorje, and The Path to Peace by our guest, Dr. Thomas Petrusco. And this was Fr. Petar Lubitschik, if I pronounced his name right.

19:02
And he said, the messages that will be revealed are warnings in a sense of what sin will bring. And as Fr. René Laurentin, the French theologian and Mariologist said, the plans of the seers, the tears of some of them, after having the ninth and tenth secrets, assures us that these ten secrets announces the wages of sin.

19:26
If men do not convert, these trials will occur as surely as night follows day. The secrets seem to, from their perception, seem to revolve less maybe about God punishing us for our sin, but more so about man reaping what he has sown.

Dr. Thomas
19:46
Well, you know, Father Lupchik spent, Petar Lupchik, the priest who’s been chosen to announce the Ten Secrets, he spent a couple of days at my home. He was basically alluding to the fact that the first secret is going to undoubtedly be an event. and whatever this event will be is going to be something that’s going to be local wherever it occurs but it’s going to be very very uh uh shaking it’s going to shake people up uh father svett asked mariana about this and she said well you know he he asked her several questions and then he finally said to her well can somebody go there and see this and and she said to him well do you want to go and see an earthquake or do you want to go and see something really terrible you know and then basically she threw it back at him and said you know there’s not going to be any desire to go see something really bad the first secret is invent that will be you know kind of quasi you know disruptive and that people are going to be who observe it are going to be shook up I think I think we could say that we have lots of that already in the world but once again we’re going to we’re going to backtrack to the fact that this is going to be pre-announced so now we’re able to connect you know a to b and pretty soon we’re going to connect b to c and then c to d i’ll just as far as the second secret goes i think there’s there’s as little about the second secret as there is in all 10 secrets okay you know uh there’s there’s just so little known about it all i was able to find in going through a mountains of information i have over 100 books on medjugorje i had thousands of newsletters uh all of all you about the second secret, Mark, is that it is a warning. And what that means and how that unfolds, I’m not sure. I don’t know about any specifics of it.

Mark Mallett
21:43
Now, you and I have both written extensively on the so-called illumination of conscience or warning. The seers of Garabandal, an apparition that’s neutral, at least now by the church’s judgment, they were the first ones to really bring up this whole concept of a warning that would be given to humanity. We hear also in Father Servant of God, Father Gobi’s writings, that a judgment in miniature will be given a light to people. Do you think that it doesn’t sound like the first secret, but is it possible the second secret could in fact be this so-called illumination of conscience?

Dr. Thomas
22:23
You know, great question. Wayne Wobble, before he died, he put out in his final book, The Last Apparition, about Medjugorje. He goes all the way out on a limb and says the second secret is the illumination of all consciences.

22:40
Other writers have said the same thing. And the way they’ve gotten to there is they’ve basically connected the dots. And it seems like this has great, great familiar characteristics of what is foretold in Garibundal, what has been foretold elsewhere with the illumination of all consciences.

22:59
I would note that I went out of my way in both those books to say that there was no objective evidence or any objective statements by any of the visionaries that even slightly allude to that. So what did I mean by that? I clearly meant that all of the synonyms we use for the illumination of all conscience, the mini-judgment, the judgment in miniature, all of those different synonyms that we use, especially the word conscience and illumination, None of that has ever been heard or recorded or written down coming from any of the mouths of the six visionaries.

23:44
So other than the fact that it makes a good detective story and it makes a good digging through the weeds, we don’t have anything objective about it. And once again, my approach to Medjugorje was to try to take the secrets as well as the whole experience of Medjugorje and is to try to carry it on in Pharisee and Laurentian’s manner without any doubt that anything that I would write was not verifiable objectively. So I’ve been trying to basically bring an academic approach to the secrets.

Mark Mallett
24:18
Now, one of the things the seers have pointed out is that those who do not convert by the time of the third secret, for them, for some people, it will be too late. If you look at what some of the seers and mystics have said about the illumination of conscience, they also say for those who don’t prepare, some will die in a state of fright. Barbara Centelli, who you’ve also spoken of, she said that the contrast between light and darkness will actually increase.

24:50
It’s like the final sifting of the weeds from the wheat that Jesus spoke about in the Gospels, the sifting of the weeds from the wheat. So in that regard, what do you think they mean by, for some, it will be too late by the time this permanent sign comes? Because if you think about this permanent sign, this miracle that you can see and touch and there’s no human explanation for it, you think that that would actually convert people.

25:13
So why would it be too late for some by that moment? I’m just going to add a thought to that. It’s that I think it’s also a mistake to look at the Seers of Medjugorje as containing the fullness of all the private revelation, the fullness of all public revelation.

25:32
I think we have to look at these seers as Our Lady has disclosed, almost like, think of a house, Doctor, is what I’m thinking of. And you can look through one window, and so St. Bernadette gets to look through one window, St. Faustina through another window, the seers of La Salette, and so on. And they get to look through one window, and the six seers of Medjugorje, maybe each of them got their own window.

25:56
But all together, you have this house. And for my writing, for the now word at least, my role is to look at the entire picture. So I look at what have the early church fathers said?

26:08
What are the popes saying? What is Our Lady saying over here? And what does Scripture say?

26:13
And I think that we need to have that bird’s eye view of everything and not expect these seers to have the whole picture.

Dr. Thomas
26:21
Put all six in front of the same window and ask them each what they see. And you’re going to get six different answers. So, yes, that’s exactly, you know, it’s an example that I’ve used in the past also.

26:32
And Lawrenton was extremely sensitive to this, that their subjectivity is so much involved in even repeating what they thought they heard. I’m not saying that by using the word thought that they imagined it, but in remembering what they heard, it comes to a thought to them. And now what is it compared to exactly what was said?

26:56
But let me just go to this other message that was very similar to the message that you said. Father Michael O’Carroll, the great theologian from Black Rock College in Dublin, Ireland, wrote about this. He said, because he was amazed by this, my angel, August 15th, 1985, my angel, pray for the unbelievers.

27:20
They will tear their hair, brother will plead with brother, and they will curse their past godless lives and repent, but it will be too late. Now is the time for conversion. Now is the time to do what I’ve been calling for these four years, pray for them.”

27:36
So just to give you my closing remarks on this, I think that if some of the events involved in these secrets, especially as we get towards the more serious secrets, uh, eight, nine, and 10, they’re going to be so life-changing for perhaps if not all of us, great numbers of us, uh, they’re going to affect our families, our, our, our loved ones, uh, how we’re viewing the world through, uh, telecommunications that, uh, people are not going to have time to all of a sudden say, hey, I need to check in and, you know, make sure my soul’s okay. You know, I often think about when we read in the news people that suddenly die. And I think, boy, they didn’t have a time to, you know, even think about it.

28:26
You know, this came out of nowhere, you know. So I think what my interpretation of this is that, you know, like Christ says in Scripture about, you know, one will be taken, one will be left, and how fast this will occur, how quick this will be. You know, you’re going to be left face to face with God.

28:42
And if you don’t have your house in order, you’re not going to be able to be trying to talk your way out of this or talk your way through this. It isn’t so much that God all of a sudden is not going to want to hear you say, I’m sorry. He’ll always want to hear you say, I’m sorry.

28:58
It’s just that some of this is going to happen so fast that you’re going to be right there. I often tell my children, go to confession stake. Don’t have to worry about your personal judgment if you already know that you’ve taken care of this with your confession on a regular basis.

29:16
Where ending up in front of the face of God and know you haven’t gone to confession for 10 years, not where you want to be.

Mark Mallett
29:24
Perhaps another simile to all of this would be, because we know, as the Catechism says, that the Church will follow our Lord in her own passion and death and resurrection, I might add. So, we think about how Judas, it was too late for Judas. Judas didn’t repent.

29:45
He kept his heart hard all the way to betraying Christ. Peter denied him. So there you have two concrete examples in the gospel of how it just doesn’t always turn out because we have human free will.

29:58
And I’m thinking also of Pope John Paul’s message to the pilgrims at Foldo that was recorded by Father Regis Scallon, who the Pope says, you know, when they asked him about the third secret, he said, what’s the use of speaking about millions of people disappearing from one moment to the next? We hear this from the seer of Jennifer, where Jesus says, in a blink of the eye, many will be called home. So I think this is all indicating that we should be taking Fatima, Medjugorje, and other apparitions that are authentic or credible, we should be taking this serious.

30:32
Instead of the attitude we often see in the churches, well, it’s private revelation, I don’t have to believe in it, which is not really what the church has ever taught. It’s taught, it’s prudent to follow and to believe. And in fact, we have a couple of popes actually saying, if you believe it’s God speaking to you, you’re obligated to listen.

30:50
So with that, I think that’s a good preamble to the rest of the secrets. And here, Dr. Thomas, I want to address the fact that we know that several of the seers, particularly Mirjana, but they’ve all said, we don’t want to focus on the dark part of it. We don’t want to focus on the negative.

31:10
But you can’t get away from the fact that we’ve seen Mirjana with tears in her eyes, looking absolutely distraught. We can’t get away from the fact that we’ve heard in your book and other books, them accounting how they’ll hear one secret and then they’ll go, my goodness, I thought that was bad. But now the ninth and now even the tenth is even worse than that.

31:33
And yet we hear the seer say, but don’t focus on that. Well, it’s in our human nature for us to look at that and to understand that there are grave things. And not necessarily, it doesn’t have to drive one to having a preservationist mentality, a prepper mentality.

31:50
It can just lead one to go, I’m concerned for my loved ones. I’m concerned for my kids or my grandkids who’ve left the faith. And I don’t want them to perish.

32:00
So on the one hand, we do need to be focused that Our Lady is calling us to peace. But it seems to me, Dr. Thomas, and I’ll let you take this thought from here, There’s going to be a winter before there’s a springtime. There’s going to be night before there’s the dawn.

32:18
And it’s even possible there may be the Antichrist before Christ comes in his kingdom. The kingdom of the divine will reigns in us. And I think that if we look, as I said in the introduction of this program, if we look at the trajectory of humanity, we don’t see repentance.

32:36
We see abortions increasing in the United States since Roe versus Wade fell. We see the nations turning towards communism, socialism. We see a global surveillance state.

32:47
And the possibility, certainly the infrastructure is there for a potential so-called mark of the beast, whatever that looks like, that will control whether you buy and sell, whether or not you have your digital ID in place. I think all of this is extraordinary, what we’re facing. And I think what is coming is God’s mercy.

33:10
I think there’s a prodigal son moment being offered to the world that’s coming. That’s in the nature of God. That’s the message of divine mercy that before the day of justice, God is going to give us this day of mercy.

33:22
And so you’re right. I like what you’re saying because I think the seers are going, on the one hand, we’ve been overwhelmed with what we’ve been shown and it is hard. It’s very difficult.

33:33
But what we really see is that God has a plan even to use the dire to shake people and to bring them back to himself, just the way the prodigal son had to be up to his knees in pig slop as a Jewish boy feeding pigs before he could have that illumination of conscience that brought about conversion. So I just wanted to interject with that thought, Dr. Thomas.

Dr. Thomas
33:57
Well, just to conclude, when we take all of that and we apply it to the world like it is today, we certainly see that there are, you know, transformations occurring in cultures, in society amongst nations between nations and then you like you pointed out all of what’s going on in the world today from the standpoint of uh communism marxism socialism because what’s going on throughout the world is is more than you know just an ideology anymore it’s a rejection of god it’s a rebellion against god these are pagan anarchists that are determined to bring down the system what they’ve always wanted to do is is bring down you know uh the vatican they wanted to to bring down the White House, and they wanted to bring down the collective free West that, you know, certainly the Catholic Church played a long part in beginning with the Middle Ages and early Middle Ages and building up. And it’s a rebellion against God in its purest, natural state, I think.

Mark Mallett
34:55
And that was one of the messages of this series that Our Lady gave in Garibandau, a stunning message. She said, when communism comes back, when communism returns, that’s when all these things will begin to unfold. And it seems to me we’re seeing definitely the storm of socialism being embraced to the point where it sounds like the main presidential candidate for the Democratic Socialists in the United States is a socialist, communist, whatever you want to call her.

35:25
So something’s definitely happening, which raises our final question in all of this, Dr. Thomas. and it’s the big question everybody has, but how close are we, do you think, to these 10 secrets unfolding? Now, I should just note, all of the Sears are roughly in their early 60s. Now, some of us, I think Sister Lucia lived into her 90s, I believe.

35:49
So, given that, we could see potentially, with the average lifespan of people, we could be decades away. But what is your sense So how close we are to these secrets, particularly the first one, because that sounds chronologically what they’re talking about is the first one is to come. How close are we?

Dr. Thomas
36:08
So I think when you look at Mariana’s book, she answers that because she knows that’s what’s on everybody’s mind. And, you know, she and I think that Ivanka does the same thing. And from everything I’ve read with her, she doesn’t speak a lot.

36:22
And she basically says, well, we’re closer today than we were yesterday. So, you know, what kind of answer is that? You know, it’s not what anybody wants to hear.

36:31
But if you ask me, based upon the work that I do and looking at, you know, everything that’s occurred, I’m finishing up a book on Fatima right now that I’ve spent the last three to four years on that involves an extraordinary revelations that you’re going to read. dealing with how Fatima is ongoing and people don’t realize it. But I do believe there’s a stretch to go.

36:58
I think there’s a stretch to go with the illumination steel. You have to understand God at any point could be the, you know, the intervener who just fixes all this and stops all this. But the whole purpose of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart is for Mary to bring out of the world this remnant, this following, this army, as she tells Father Gobi, as she tells so many of the visionaries at Medjugorje.

37:26
And through us, she’s going to bring all this evil down. So when we start to look at fulfillment of secrets and we start to look at illuminations and all that, I think we’re looking at like a cleanup phase in which after we’ve already kind of fulfilled what God put us here for. We’re to do a lot of work yet.

37:48
We’re to be involved in a lot of fighting yet. We’re to be most of all involved in a lot of suffering yet, because as you pointed out, you know, the church is to suffer also. We’re the body of the church. The church is, you know, has a lot of, you know, parts of it that needs repaired very badly.

38:06
So, you know, there’s a good stretch to go.

Mark Mallett
38:09
I hear a lot of people saying, you know, oh, I’m just hanging on for the illumination of conscience. I’m just waiting, you know. And I think that’s the wrong attitude.

38:20
Jesus said, you are the salt of the earth. You are the light of the world. We’ve already been given the great commission.

38:26
We’re called to evangelize today, right now. We’re called to love and to witness right now. And it may cost us our lives.

38:36
So this idea of waiting, I agree with you. I think people are going to be surprised. Look, the USSR, the Soviet Union, and the communism that we saw birthed with the October Revolution, it was some 70 years for this to collapse.

38:52
And do we in the West, who are probably the most depraved culture in the history of the world, I think we’re a good candidate at least, think that we’re going to get off scot-free with the way we’ve lived? that we aren’t going to suffer, that God’s just going to intervene and say, oh, look, you’re all going hungry for a couple of days here. Time for the illumination. No. And it’s not that I think God is sitting there going, no, you’re going to suffer. I’m going to really.

39:17
But I think God, as you said, and I think that’s the key, he’s preparing for himself a bride, a bride who will be spotless and unblemished, a bride who will be pure, that she will be brought to that perfection, Jesus said, so that the world may know that we are one and we’re not near that. And so, therefore, the wages of sin have to be reaped and not that God wants to. If we, as you said in your book, if we turned, if we repented, this could be a new way that would satisfy justice.

39:52
But we’re not taking that path of love, of reparation, of penance that would satisfy justice. and therefore justice seems to be the instrument that is going to purify us. And I think, as Our Lady has said to Pedro Regis, again, another seer countdown to the kingdom that we’ve been discerning, she says to him, you have many long, difficult years ahead of you, exactly what you said, Dr. Thomas.

40:16
Do you have any final thoughts on the Ten Secrets and what should be our response going from here where we are today?

Dr. Thomas
40:26
I think people who listen to this podcast have to understand that the whole message of our faith is not to just listen and absorb and think about it. But it’s like Pope John Paul II said so wisely. He said, we must be like Mary, constantly in prayer with our feet moving.

40:48
So I always tell people who listen to me, I tell my family, my children, you know, it’s one thing to understand. but it’s another thing to take action. And so whatever God’s calling you to do to take action, take action because that’s what he’s looking for. Your life isn’t put on earth to understand these mysteries, but to absorb them and to respond to them and to take action and do what you can to bring the kingdom as your program is titled.

41:14
This is what it’s all about, you know, bringing peace into a world of eight and a half billion people with all these different religions and all these different cultures. Our Lady of Medjugorje is trying to, you know, begin a new wave, a new movement in the church that’s designed to bring peace. And I think the essence of the message of Medjugorje is peace.

41:36
Peace in the heart, peace in the family, and then as Lucia said, you know, peace in the world from there.

Mark Mallett
41:42
Amen. She told us to fast, to pray, go back to confession, read scripture, and get to the Eucharist as often as we can. And those are the paths, those are the stones that we can walk on towards this path of peace that she promised at Fatima and that she will fulfill, she said, in Medjugorje.

42:03
My guest is Dr. Thomas Petrisco. I want to thank you for joining us and, again, for the fabulous work you’ve done in your books. Looking forward to your next one.

42:10
Thank you again for joining me.

Dr. Thomas
42:12
Thank you, Mark. It’s good being with you.

Mark Mallett
42:15
God bless you.

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